Interview of the Modus Agendi editor-in-chief Ilya Goryachev with Oskar Freysinger, one of the Swiss People's Party leaders.
Ilya Goryachev: Сould you please tell us about yourself, your party and its activity in Switzerland?
Oskar Freysinger: I'm a vice-president of the Swiss People's Party (Schweizerische Volkspartei) and the president of its branch in Vale canton. Our party fights for independence, neutrality and sovereignty of Switzerland. Equally, we stand for the controlled immigration policy, as well as for the diminishing of public expenditure and for limited state interference into private affairs. Independent, responsible and free citizen is of top priority for us. We don't wish etatism and citizens to live at the expense of the state. As for my private life, I've been happily married for 25 years, I've got three children (aged 22, 20 and 17). By profession, I've been a teacher of German literature for 27 years in one of Sitten's high schools. I speak fluently two languages: German and French, and also English and Italian. Besides, I've written many books in German and French - novels, stories, plays and poetic works. Five out of my books were translated into Serbian. Moreover, I'm a member of the Writers' association of Serbia. In one of my novels titled "Chess spiral" the action takes place at the time of the Russian revolution, and this work was translated into Russian. At present, I'm searching for a publisher in Russia.
I.G.: What is your opinion about the EU? In your point of view, what is the future of the EU? Many politicians - SVP members - predict its collapse, contrary to the left-wing representatives claiming that Switzerland would benefit from entering the EU and that rejecting it would mean isolation of Switzerland.
O.F.: The EU is a structure imposed on the nations by technocrats from above, and, in my opinion, this structure, sooner or later will crash down. The citizens less and less identify themselves with that bureaucratic antidemocratic and centralist monster. Entering the EU would be an organizational, economic and financial catastrophe for Switzerland. In this case, only the tax of added value would increase from 8% to 20%, and we would be converted into cash payers of the debts of the South Europe bankrupt states. Moreover, it would put an end to direct democracy and federalism - these two principal pillars of Switzerland. Without them, our state would inevitable tumble down. Switzerland should establish multilateral ties instead of one-way orientation mainly on the EU. It has many possibilities to set up relations with Russia, South Eastern Asia, South America etc. All these are promising, fast-developing markets, with which we should establish closer economic relations.
I.G.: During the last 20 years, in the Balkans wars - in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo and Macedonia - the EU and the USA have been devotedly sided with Muslims. In your opinion, was such policy beneficial or harmful for Europe?
O.F.: Developments going on in the Balkans, especially creation of the first Muslim state on the European earth is a catastrophe. It happened just because Americans are permanently strategically interested in preserving their Bondstill military base and place their geopolitical interests beyond the international law. The USA are playing a dangerous game with their Saudi allies. Due to the dollar dependence on oil, they are dominating all financial markets worldwide. As a result, Islam is spreading more further, though Americans are pretending that they fight it in Iraq and Afghanistan. Actually, that suits fundamentalists. The situation is getting more complicated by the fact that for the last years Kosovo has become a hub for drug traffic, prostitution and weapons trade. This country is entirely in the power of mafia clans. Rule of law is just a screen, the last Serbs are being gradually expelled from Kosovo.
I.G.: What is your personal opinion about Islam? How well do you know this religion?
O.F.: Islam is something bigger than just a religion. Islamic religious texts have not only general moral and ethic character, but often claiming an all-round participation in state's formation. Koran appeared in a written form after 800 year, in the course of conquest wars, it reached Spain so that it became crucial to create a legislative code of rules and laws necessary for unification of different clans and tribes organization, previously called Saracens, not Muslims. Moreover, mosques could hardly be compared with our churches, what is often realized by our departments of civil property register, since it's there where juridical and civil procedures are mainly conducted. Privileged access of a Muslim to Allah goes through Shariah law. Islamic norms. In Islam morale is based on the law, whereas according to our juridical interpretations, it's quite the opposite - the law is based on morale. In Islam morale is based on legislative norm, that is secondary to the law that, from the point of view of Islam is logical, since the law is considered to be of divine origin, non-created and granted once an forever. When quoting Koran, a Muslim quotes the text to a certain extent close to our stat laws, but contrary to them, Koran laws have a divine origin and therefore are unchangeable. That's why it's not surprising that a Muslim, who abandoned Islam, is threatened with death, and that 94% of all sins, for which Koran imposes sufferings in hell as a punishment, are related to doubts in a truthfulness of Mohammed teaching and Islam, as well as to criticism to their address. It's dramatically varying ideas of the law origin, that indicates to the fact how difficult it is to bring into practice co-existence of these two world-outlooks.
I.G.: For what reasons did you stand against minarets' construction? For example, in London there are about 400 mosques, isn't it?
O.F.: It’s time for the legal state to confine Islam’s religious dogmas within the appropriate framework. There is a freedom of religion in Switzerland, but it is so until maintaining religious freedom doesn't contradict the norms of the rule of law. Since Islam doesn't make difference between the state and religion, such problem inevitably arises. However, the state governed by the rule of law is obliged to care about peaceful co-existence of religions and prevent domination of one of them. Referendum against minarets' construction was a sort of signal to the state: here is the limit. According to Erdogan (Turkish prime-minister), minaret is a symbol of the religious power ("Islam bayonet"), therefore it was a ban on minarets' construction that was the most suitable way to put an end to Islamization.
I.G.: How do you see the future of Christian Europe?
O.F.: If we continue to preach relativism (relativity of values) and the values' decay goes on, Christianity will inevitably become a complete nonentity. However, since people can't do without believing in something, from the one hand, it will cause flourishing of all kinds of sects, but on the other - Islam will be spreading more irrepressibly.
I.G.: Let's move to the Middle East conflict between Israel and Palestine, what is your attitude towards this conflict?
O.F.: I assert that Israel is the only state governed by the rule of law in the Middle East, and is surrounded from all parts by absolutely authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. Unfortunately, demographic process in Israel itself is going not in favour of Jewish population. I don't know whether this state will be able to resist for a long period of time a surrounding it hatred and demographic disbalance.
I.G.: During the debate on "Al-Jazeera" television channel you recounted what Great mufti of Jerusalem had been involved in during the Second Wold War. Could you tell our readers in a few words about that person?
O.F.: Great mufti of Jerusalem put at Adolf Hitler's disposal several Muslim SS divisions and he was a close ally of the Third Reich. That's why I found it quite absurd that my opponent, Hamas activist under the surname Tamimi, throughout the entire debate had been comparing me with Hitler. Whereas, he supports deeds of suicide terrorists and stands for violence, but me - direct democracy and the state governed by the rule of law. The last has barely anything to do with Nazi ideology.
I.G.: What do Swiss people think about modern Russia and its national policy? What is your opinion on this issue?
O.F.: For the majority of Swiss people Russia is rather a little-known country. Western media more often present Vladimir Putin in a distorted light. And all this despite the fact that Switzerland would only benefit from good relations with Russia. Unfortunately, the Foreign Affairs Ministry of Switzerland is too preoccupied about how not to enrage Americans.
I.G.: What kind of political and economic relations do Switzerland and Russia have?
O.F.: Unfortunately, they aren't close enough.
I.G.: Last year there was a referendum in Switzerland on the guns' law. Is it necessary for such a modern and democratic country as Switzerland to enable citizens to keep guns at home, not in barracks?
O.F.: Sure. Switzerland's army has mainly defensive and police functions. Any citizen is obliged to serve in the army, defending the country. It's a patriotic duty. But what could be more absurd than a soldier without a gun - since if needed they have to be quickly mobilized.
I.G.: Switzerland is a semi-direct democracy with instruments of direct democracy at all political levels (commune, canton, federal state). How well does Swiss democracy function in practice?
O.F.: It functions surprisingly well, since the citizens are being educated in an appropriate spirit. Regularly (four times a year), referendums are held on diverse issues. Any law is to be passed through an optional referendum and any initiative on amendments to the constitution are subjected to a compulsory referendum. Swiss citizen is a sovereign (a possessor of supreme power in the state). The final word rests with him, that's why he follows the political events so attentively and actively contributes to have a proper leadership and state governance.
I.G.: In spring this year two terrorists were sentenced to death penalty in Belarus for explosion in metro. There were a lot of killed and wounded. The EU didn't approve that indictment and imposed sanctions upon Belarus. Do you support or oppose death penalty as a punishment in similar cases?
O.F.: In principle, I advocate the right to life and oppose euthanasia and abortions. Nobody is eligible to be a master of human lives. If I want to adhere to this principle, I have to condemn the death penalty. Terrorists must be rendered harmless and punished, but I oppose executions.
I.G.: What do you think about a terrorist attack committed in Toulouse? In what way will France be developing in the nearest 20-30 years? Is there Islamization of France in prospect?
O.F.: Yes, it is. In France already exist plenty of ethnic and religious ghettos, where police doesn’t dare to enter. Islam is spreading all over the country. Radical preachers are manipulating the minds of the Muslim youth from suburbs. Combined with social troubles and sharp growth of Muslim population, it will inevitably result in Islamization of this cradle of Enlightenment. It’s now that public figures don’t dare to undertake anything against Islamization, fearing to cause chaos.
I.G.: Should Switzerland apprehend terrorist attacks?
O.F.: It seems that at present it shouldn’t, but the situation may change very quickly.. However, in the long run it’s not terrorist attacks, committed by extremists, that poses a major threat. What is much more dangerous it’s a creeping Islamization, accomplished by the fundamentalists financed by Saudi Arabia. Saudis spend up to 20 billions dollars per year on the construction of mosques and Islamic centers all over the world. And this is being done with the blessing of their American allies. In the future it will entail catastrophic consequences for the world yet “free”. Thank you for taking the time to interview me and I wish you all the best.
Translated from German into Russian by Wolfgang Akunov
Article in Russian - http://www.modus-agendi.org/articles/841